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Comments on: Shock Doctrine — ξανά http://thess.gr/blog/631 Η πύλη της Θεσσαλονίκης Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:24:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.4 By: Irqueen http://thess.gr/blog/631#comment-849 Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:24:05 +0000 http://www.thess.gr/blog/?p=631#comment-849 @oneiros&by association, mave: χαίρομαι που το ανέφερες Oneiros. Και ελπίζω να μην ξαναγίνει μία πορεία σαν και αυτής της Δευτέρας στην οποία δυστυχώς, δεν κουνηθήκαμε, όχι μόνο εμείς, αλλά και οι λοιποί συνοδοιπόροι… και χαίρομαι που έκτοτε γίνονται πορείες σαν και αυτή που περιγράφιες. Dum Spiro Spero.

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By: Oneiros http://thess.gr/blog/631#comment-848 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:32:01 +0000 http://www.thess.gr/blog/?p=631#comment-848 @Irqueen, έπρεπε να ‘σουν στη χθεσινή πορεία της κατάληψης της Σχολής Θεάτρου (όπως και γω, που την πρόλαβα στο τελειώμα) για να λάβεις μιά απάντηση στο ερώτημά σου. Η πορεία περπάτησε 2+ ώρες σε διαδρομή διαφορετική τελείως απ’ τη συνηθισμένη μέσα από φαρδείς κυρίως δρόμους (που σημαίνει ότι οι προβοκάτορες δεν ήταν εξοικειωμένοι, και δεν είχαν στενωπούς για να δράσουν), είχε διαρκή και σθεναρή περιφρούρηση από άτομα που λειτουργούσαν κι επικοινωνιακά -καθώς βρίσκονταν στις παρυφές- εξηγώντας στον κόσμο το λόγο της πορείας και μοιράζοντας φυλλάδια και δεν είχε blocks (που σημαίνει ότι συμμετείχε πιό εύκολα ο ‘απλός πολίτης’). Το αποτέλεσμα ήταν μιά πορεία χωρίς κανένα έκτροπο απ’ την αρχή μέχρι το τέλος, την οποία χειροκροτούσε ο κόσμος απ’ τα μπαλκόνια.
Ας μην ακούω λοιπόν ότι δε μπορεί να γίνει περιφρούρηση στις πορείες. Where there’s a will, there’s a way, ακόμα και στις πρώτες μέρες μιάς αντίδρασης όπου η οργή είναι νωπή. Αφού τα καταφέρνουν πολίτες σε πολύ πιό ταραγμένες περιοχές, μπορούμε κι εμείς.

ΥΓ: Κι έχει δίκιο ο mave (“υποθέτω μόνο με τη δύναμη του πλήθους το σταματάς… παίρνοντας το ρίσκο να φας και καμιά ανάποδη από κανένα παλούκι”).

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By: Mave http://thess.gr/blog/631#comment-834 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:07:36 +0000 http://www.thess.gr/blog/?p=631#comment-834 @exiled: ε, σε ποιον απευθύνεσαι ακριβώς, γιατί εγώ δεν ζήτησα να “χτυπανε” τους “μαλάκες”, απλά είπα οτι όλο αυτό δημιουργεί κλίμα τρομοκρατίας , όταν σπάνε τα πάντα. Όσο το σπάσιμο ήταν στοχευμένο ο κόσμος χειροκροτούσε, δεν φοβόταν. Άρχισε ο φόβος και ο τρόμος όταν άρχισαν να χτυπούν και να σπάνε χωρίς διάκριση. και μην ξεχνάς οτι για κάποιους ο εχθρός, ο αφέντης είμαι εγώ (και δεν κάνω πλάκα εδώ….)

όσο για επιχειρήματα…το video το είδες ?

“I wanna urge all of you, and I know some of you are doing this already, to keep filling those gaps, to keep fighting against the sanitation of history, knowing history, having a narrative to hold on to, to keep us sane and oriented, is the best form of shock resistance.” N.Klein

Το πρόβλημά μου δεν είναι το γεγονός οτι σπάνε, γενικά και αόριστα, αλλά το γεγονός οτι σπανε τα πάντα, γενικά και αόριστα. Και με αυτόν τον τρόπο χάνεις και την πρωτοπορία που ίσως φαινόταν στην άκρη του τούνελ.

@Irqueen: πολύ απλά δεν ξέρω. υποθέτω μόνο με τη δύναμη του πλήθους το σταματάς… παίρνοντας το ρίσκο να φας και καμιά ανάποδη από κανένα παλούκι.

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By: exiled http://thess.gr/blog/631#comment-833 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:28:40 +0000 http://www.thess.gr/blog/?p=631#comment-833 Απαράδεκτο κείμενο. Δεν έχει νόημα να συνεχίσω με επιχειρήματα, για τον απλούστατο λόγο ότι οι λογικές μας είναι αλληλοαποκλειόμενες. Εσύ βλέπεις μαλάκες, εγώ βλέπω μία πρωτοπορία.

Μην χτυπάς τον αδερφό σου, μα τον αφέντη, τον εχθρό σου.

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By: Irqueen http://thess.gr/blog/631#comment-832 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:39:47 +0000 http://www.thess.gr/blog/?p=631#comment-832 Την απάντηση μου για τις απόψεις του προηγούμενο post όποιος έχει όρεξη μπορεί να την διαβάσει… απλώς ήθελα να κάνω μία ανοιχτή ερώτηση στους φίλους του thess γιατί με απασχολεί: πώς ακριβώς απομακρύνεις τέτοιου είδους στοιχεία από την πορεία; ίσως πριν ξεκινήσει; γιατί και η πορεία να είχε περιφρούρηση, ήμασταν στην μέση του δρόμου, αυτοί καίγαν στα πεζοδρόμια… μία αφελής ερώτηση. Αλλά ελπίζω καίρια.

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